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Threatening another government shutdown. so will they ever get on the president's side of border security? here to weigh in is former immigration officer, michael cutler. you know the problems at the border, you know what the border agents need and what they requested. speaking of what's being requested, this additional $8.6 billion for the wall in the upcoming budget proposal, let's begin there. >> sure. heather:s is that enough? do we need more? what should that be used for? >> we need more. we need to emphasize interior enforcement of immigration laws. we hear about catch and release. why w...

>> sure, how many beds should isis have versus how many should dhs cdp have. >> i get the issue. >> and as you know, we need beds for interior enforcement, for i.c.e., we need beds at the border and we can help the migraines that seek to come here rather than the girls getting sold into the sex trafficking trade and leveraged by the cartels and it's a very dangerous environment. >> it's just the wall won't stop that. >> i disagree with that. i do. >> let's talk about that quickly and then we'll go into what the alternative is. how does a wall stop trafficking when, first of all, the main part ...

Many of those things don't deal with physical barriers, they deal with rules, flows, understandings in the home countries and all of those should be funded and the requirements are great. the president says it's all about the wall. that's where the trouble is. >> what the president offered if you remember was 234 miles of fencing, $600 million of humanitarian relief. 75 judges, 50,000 beds and democrats now for some reason they want to make an argument that we don't need beds when the beds are the very issue with the asylum crisis which is the judges have put on our backs and created mandatory...

What's in this package back in december. if you rewind to a year ago schumer put $25 billion on the table. if president did not end up accepting that deal. it would argue it hass been more to sign today. i think they did have to offer some concessions on funding towards a building barrier. an aid is saying that the language specified that it is restricted to currently deployed designs. it is not the president delivering on the promise for the wall. i think that's what you'll hear from a lot of them. they wanted to get more on interior enforcement, the expansion of ice. >> that means no concret...

This, it is democrats. i know, i was a part of the democratic new leadership group as chairman of the homeland security group that came in, in 2007, it was democrats that insisted both in the bush administration and the obama administration that enforcement be targeted on precisely dangerous criminals, people who pose a threat to the community. >> you would go through and sort, people getting released, you will check first? >> of course. of course. and, but, we've just had an experience in north carolina that indicates how far off the rails this has gone, 200 people picked up. it looks like mo...