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Flynn's brother wrote, about time you pardon general flynn who's taking the biggest fall for you all. he later took a more conciliatory approach. writing to the president, i personally believe that a pardon is due to general flynn. thank you and keep up the good work. chris, you raised this sort of interpretation game when the president's talked the way he did two weeks ago, people are wondering is this going to lead to a change. i wonder in terms of the president's credibility on this issue, if he were to issue a pardon to general flynn here and sort of cut off flynn's involvement in this inv...

>> that was a lifetime ago. >> that was a lifetime ago. but, you know, she made a big point, if she was born in iowa, this was going to be her state. this was going to be -- >> so you think she might drop out or, given her money situation? >> soul searching is what you -- i think, yes. >> and if you're rick perry, what justification do you have for going forward? just because you've got money in the bank? >> the justification of going forward, i talked to rick perry today. he said he's the only conservative who can mount a national effort, fund-raising effort, against mitt romney. ca...

Interesting about iowa is it's so much about the media interpretations. you know, we're actually not talking about very many votes. we've got people up on the board that have each got less than 8,000 votes and this is a national vote. >> high school president. >> it's all about interpretation. ening at the end of the day, it really does matter what the order is of these three. it's not just that they're bunched, but if romney comes out number one, i think that really helps him on the interpretation game, whereas if he were to come out number three, he would be hurt. >> and the particular piece...