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Them to do that. would you grit your teeth when you had to do these? i found them difficult to do morally, but it was always a moral choice between trying to save lives and allowing people who were trying to withhold information that could potentially stop those attacks to continue to do it — especially since they had voluntarily taken up arms against us. those eits were used in very short periods of time. abu zubaydah was subject to enhanced interrogation techniques for 14 days. abu zubaydah, of course, was working with al-qaeda, and he was one of their facilitators. he was the first senior...

Mohammed or abu zubaydah, they are not going to freely give up that information. in fact, this is what i would say... what general mattis had said was — and i've got a lot of respect for the man — but he said, "give me some beer and a pack of cigarettes and i think i could get more." that's the rapport—building approach. yes. here's the problem with that. you've got to ask yourself, would general mattis give up information that could potentially get his countrymen killed and disrupt our attacks for a michelob and winston? he's not going to do that, and neither would ksm. the only thing s...

It's a stain. you have to to understand, we're talking about a matter of days for this thing. for the use of enhanced interrogation techniques. one of the ways that i think about this is, we do, as do other countries, drone strikes. when we do a drone strike, we send a cruise missile or a hellfire missile into a family, and we kill the grandmother, we kill the kids, we kill the neighbours, we kill whoever happens to be around. that's not a stain? you know, in my mind, capturing someone, questioning them, even if it requires some temporary discomfort, you don't harm them, and then you can go ou...

Of interrogation techniques to use than the cia interrogator. so america is less safe, in your view, as a result? it is less safe as... notjust this, but a lot of things have happened in the last eight years. but, you know, one person who has been tortured is the republican senator, john mccain... yes. ..the vietnam war veteran. and he wrote in the washington post in 2011, "i know from personal experience that the abuse of prisoners sometimes produces good intelligence, but often produces bad intelligence, because, undertorture, a person will say anything he thinks his captors want to hear. so...

I'm not still doing consultation for some of the things i was involved in. so to the extent that having done those things sort of blackballed me from doing other stuff, i have some regrets about that, but no regrets about doing it. because i don't think you need to be ashamed about trying to save american lives. i travel around quite a bit in the us, and i have not personally ran into one single person who was critical of me. i've run into people who disagree about the use of enhanced interrogation techniques, who said, i prefer if it didn't happen, but i can understand that you did it to try ...