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Sally yates and refuse to follow the law. paul: dan, what do you make of this, i remember writing editorials more than a decade ago, i remember the mood at the time and i don't remember a lot of democrats waving hands and say, oh, my god, don't do these things, make sure that there's not another attack? >> i'm glad that you brought that up, paul, 9/11 nearly 17 years ago, both towers of world trade center collapsed, plane flew into pentagon, am i upset that the cia used enhanced interrogation techniques against al-qaeda suspects, i wasn't there and not to this day. the democrats will make big ...

The cia. those techniques used of course on terror suspects. the report is adding that top trump aides have rushed to cia headquarters. that happened late on friday. trying to convince her to stay as the nominee of the president for director of cia to take the place of mike pompeo who has moved on to be secretary of state. i want to bring in my panel to talk about this. in all fairness, i know that this may be the first time any of the four of you are hearing about it because it is, for us, as well here via "the washington post." alona, to you first and your reaction to gina haskell. her reput...

Extent of what she does or her role. >> that's a good segue, but that leads me to two points. what kind of director would gina haspel be if she had to sit in front of a -- who has advocated torture or killing families of suspected terrorists, how are we supposed to have confidence in gina haspel to speak truth to power when we don't have a good understanding of what kind of role she played in the interrogation techniques? >> i'm not sure we don't. i think we have a good understanding. she ran a black site. there are also more details we could know, but the black sites were places where prisons...

What can i say? control suits me. go national. go like a pro. all right, everybody. 52 past the hour. i know we said we could bam being a and it talk with the panel about the latest strategy for congress. that's gina haskell right there. the reason is, she's the new nominee to be director of the cia. we are getting word via "the washington post" that she has sought to withdraw her nomination. this happened on friday after a white house meeting over the controversial interrogation techniques which she oversaw previously during her tenure in

>> exactly. no misconduct from gina haspil. paul: they never indicted rodríguez either. when the interrogation techniques were applied, they were legal, series of memos from the justice department saying that they were legal, correct? >> correct, the law has since changed and by all accounts gina is going to say at the committee that she has no intention of going back to the same program without the legal authority. paul: well, this leads to the question, if you are somebody at the cia who is tasked with protecting the united states and preventing another attack and you get a memo that says, ...