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Real uproar against a politicized supreme court. you know, here they're making political decisions. this is a clear constitutional issue. the interstate commerce clause of the congress dictates that this can happen. it's going to energize the democratic base, and that is important for the president. >> the health care law as currently structured is discouraging job creation and expansion of business in america, and so that issue will continue to be faced if the law is upheld. and if the law is overturned, republicans, hopefully, we have the majority, and president romney will have to come up w...

Basic relationship between government and citizen. is that your argument, that this is so fundamental it can't be done here under our constitution? this is really changing things in this country. >> that is the argument. that is why you see thousands of people gathered around the united states supreme court building protesting today, and for two years prior to today, because people realize this is a constitutional moment. this is exactly why the argument is lasting three days as opposed to one hour, and that's because this decision will determine whether or not congress has unlimited power or ...

>> attorney general abbott, thank you for joining us tonight. let me ask you about the question of heavy burden. the justices seemed to believe that the question here is not just the extension or possible flexibility of the interstate commerce clause but more fundamental the inherent question of what our constitution is all about. talking about this would change the bill, this would change the basic relationship between government and citizen. is that your argument, that this is so fundamental it can't be done here under our constitution? this is really changing things in this country. >> that...

Do you draw it? does this include things like making cars safe, making medicine safe, air traffic control, controlling the jets above our heads. >> i think in theory, if you understood the free market in a free society, you don't need government to do that. we live in a society where we have been adapted to this, and you can't just drop it all at once, but you can transition away from it. on regulations, no, i don't believe in any of these federal regulations, but that doesn't mean i don't believe in regulations. the regulation of the market place takes care of it. think if we had the regulati...

Union states. because the wages are higher. they made more money when the jobs were there. now they don't build automobiles and we don't have steel mills any more. the union wage is an artificial wage, mandated by the government under the national labor relations bore. the whole thing is unconstitutional. the interstate commerce clause should facilitate and allow people to move their businesses back and forth not to inhibit business decisions [ applause ] >> juan: governor pawlenty, when you ed in minnesota you named an education commissioner who equated the teaching of creationism with the te...