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Lot of these same questions. that's more important than what the president tweeted on saturday. >> and carol, to that last point in terms of mcgahn being sort of in the middlecgahn being in the middle of the interview when they starting on thursday broke on friday when the flynn investigation -- sorry, when the flynn plea agreement was announced and maybe picked up that interview already this week or will later on this week, is it a crime for somebody to tell a lie to mueller's investigators in an interview setting? >> it absolutely is something that could be prosecuted and charged. if you are...

Unforthcoming about those contacts, at least in the first instance. and he continues to serve at the highest levels in the white house. and that would seem to be an untenable situation in the long run. but it remains to be seen what robert mueller's inquiry and the congressional investigations are going to do with this continually evolving not good information about kushner and how honest he's being and what kinds of contacts he had with russia while russia was attacking the election to try to benefit trump. so eyes on jared kushner now. we're also right now waiting for the white house communi...

Scheduled interview with robert mueller's investigators. we're told the hope hicks interview may happen as soon as this week. crucial question, it's not clear whether hicks will be called to testify to the grand jury. in addition to speaking with muller's prosecutors in an interview setting. so we don't know when the hope hicks interview and/or testimony will be but we expect it should be any day now if it hasn't happened already. so like i said, busy day. [ laughter ] >> all of that is going on in the news now. that's the kind of news cycle we're in now and on top of that, charles manson died...

Give something to him. i left the encounter thinking how can i get this guy to let down his guard? >> even in an interview setting, if you give him a compliment, you can see it sort of wash over him. >> he hit a home run in high school and he remembers the article reporting that donald trump won the game. >> he had to tell me about it. >> coming up, what trump had to say about his multiple bankruptcies. customers get up and running, anywhere in the planet. wherever there's a phone, you've got a bank, and we could never do that before. the cloud gave us a single

But, you know, i identify this as kind of the ultimate example of the narcissistic culture. we now live in a world where people advertise themselves on facebook. we're practically walking brotubr brochures. and donald pioneered that. and there is an emptiness to it, i think of him being a bottomless pit of need and the presidency was the one rock he could get to try to fill that pit. and it's not going to work. >> that's interesting. you see him as a bottomless pit of need. that's a really stunning sort of portrayal. >> so much so, even though i'm just a middle class guy, i felt like i wanted ...