but, you know, i identify this as kind of the ultimate example of the narcissistic culture. we now live in a world where people advertise themselves on facebook. we're practically walking brotubr brochures. and donald pioneered that. and there is an emptiness to it, i think of him being a bottomless pit of need and the presidency was the one rock he could get to try to fill that pit. and it's not going to work. >> that's interesting. you see him as a bottomless pit of need. that's a really stunning sort of portrayal. >> so much so, even though i'm just a middle class guy, i felt like i wanted to give something to him. i left these encounters thinking, how can i get this guy to let down his guard and just be real? >> there is a neediness for approval, i mean, in some of the interviews i've done with him and other people i've talked to him who have interviewed him sense in him, even in an interview setting, like, if you give him a compliment, you can