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It seems unusual, because of the way that trump has been treated in the fast past, or because of his power of invincibility. and it's true that all of these things that are happening -- questions are being asked of the former president. >> if only there was a simple question, katie benner, of why trump took them. we don't know why he won't give them back. we are not exactly sure why he took them in the first place. but maggie haberman, your colleague at the new york times, had an interesting -- we will call it, well educated theorizing -- we played that tape of donald trump which a killer neil...

Inevitability and invincibility is cracking, let's not forget, in a lot of the places, trump may be stumbling but trumpism is the ideology of the republican party. think about the pennsylvania race. those candidates all have sprinted as fast in donald trump's direction as possible. in some ways, trump's ideology, or whatever you want to call that set of beliefs that defines trump's world view, is winning in the republican party. that's worrying. joe, i can't emphasize enough your last point about georgia. there is no state. there is no race. there is no person in whom donald trump has been mor...

Courage and energy of lions and you have beaten them back from kyiv, you have beaten them back from kyiv, you have exploded the myth of putin's invincibility. and written one of most glorious chapters in military history and in the life of your country. the so—called irresistible force of putin's war machine has broken on the immovable object of ukrainian patriotism and love of country. this is ukraine's finest hour. that will be remembered and recounted for generations to come. your children and your grandchildren will say that ukrainians taught the world that the brute force of an aggresso...

Sheet and that invincibility is going to continue to entrench itself next to trump. i think if democrats go after him, the loser-ness has to expand into a national conversation. which is, look, he said he was going to build a wall. he didn't. he said he'd balance the budget immediately. he didn't do it. if you don't know obamacare, you still have it. if you voted for -- i mean, you can go through the list. biden used to say it all the time. >> this is like having an abusive partner. these republicans and trump. trump is their abusive partner. the question is, when are -- sometimes there's that...

There. in everybody's head this is like the measles, mumps and rue bella. they thought they were invincible when they were vaccinated. >> dana: should you have described it differently then? >> i made it very clear to the president and vice president this vaccine was never studied to create what we call sterilizing immunity. the invincibility to never be infected again. we made it very clear it was never studied to do anything but protect against severe disease and hospitalization which has done a good job. if you have a vulnerable person in your family and you believe that vaccination was eno...