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By the time we got to the press conference they say he was tired and worn out and angry. usually we see him angry at loud volume. yesterday you could tell he was upset. as one person told me last night, he's rattled about this. >> the other thing to point out, if you pull back and look at the memo, ask yourself if there's anything in there where the president is advancing national interests? is there anything in there about the country or the crowd strike conspiracy of 2016. ? is it about finding the server of 2016? is it about finding political dirt against someone he may have to run against....

Giuliani to describe his part on fox news, there's an argument they opened the door. >> and also when rudy says i wasn't going in the capacity as the president's attorney wrars going because the state department asked me to go. >> that's right. >> he ways ives that concern clt privilege. >> he's a president that operates totally sioutside the chain of command. this is a man from the business world to the presidency who operates on his own, not through the usual officials every other president has used. and this is someone who used to sit in the 26th floor of trump tower and run his business by...

Person. i do not believe war solves problems. i mean, you go after one problem and it gives birth to five other different problems. and therefore, i don't believe that these -- because, you see, it has unintended consequences. you know, every war which i know of, pakistan joining the u.s. war in afghanistan, each time we were told this is a matter of weeks and, you know, pakistan we lost 70,000 people died in this war on terror when we participated. and our general, said it's only a matter of weeks. war with iran is very complex. once it starts, you know, no one knows where it's going to go. a...

Would you like to see him mediate between you and prime minister modi and try to resolve this kashmir issue? >> andrea, definitely. we feel that the u.s. president, head of the most powerful country of the world, the only person actually who could make a difference right now is president trump if he can mediate between us. because there is, as you report mentioned, there's a huge humanitarian crisis. people have been locked up in kashmir now for almost 53 days. and so we hope that the u.s. president intervenes. >> there are concerns, of course, you're both nuclear states. are the tactical nucl...

Time. let's bring in national political reporter for nbc news josh letterman with new reporting on giuliani and another person who played a role in all of this. i guess the first question is why were people from ukraine calling rudy giuliani all the time. but you also in your new reporting introduce a new character into this story. who is mr. volker? >> we're learning more about ambassador kurt volker who was the one who introduced jewgiuli to this aide. and volker had an unusual arrangement because he was brought in from the outside as an outside expert to serve as this ukraine envoy. under s...