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And chief as it pertains to this weapons transfer and his refusal to transfer the weapons to a democratic ally who's been invaded by vladimir putin until he gets what he wants. which, he's explained very clearly was the ukrainian president working with the attorney general of the united states of america and his person ternl to dig up diattorney to dt on his political rival. >> just in your synopsis is what most democrats and some republicans privately are saying on its face of it is so troubling to have the president of the united states talking to a young foreign leader of a very vulnerable ...

Time. let's bring in national political reporter for nbc news josh letterman with new reporting on giuliani and another person who played a role in all of this. i guess the first question is why were people from ukraine calling rudy giuliani all the time. but you also in your new reporting introduce a new character into this story. who is mr. volker? >> we're learning more about ambassador kurt volker who was the one who introduced jewgiuli to this aide. and volker had an unusual arrangement because he was brought in from the outside as an outside expert to serve as this ukraine envoy. under s...