MSNBC Morning Joe November 18, 2019 11:37:00
Along with the national security counsel s council's vindman. >> donald trump tould callcalle never trumper, right? >> yes. >> but doesn't she work for mike pence? >> she works for the state department and vice president of the united states. that's a difficult position to have if you're a never trumper. she was on the july 25th call which is why her testimony is so important. >> but gene robinson, she's on the call and she's mike pence's person. so donald trump -- i just don't get it. >> how did mike pence not know anything? >> yeah, well, i think the explanation is, you know, the president i...