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Before these votes happen. sometimes weeks before. so this was a warning to house conservatives, that if you go against leadership and a deal is struck, there are going to be consequences. >> yeah. so chuck todd, let's talk about the other side of pennsylvania avenue. the president of the united states yesterday speaking with john boehner. and they wisely decided not to characterize that phone call, thank god for the sake of america. and the world. also, you had tim geithner. good god. >> he didn't say anything he hasn't said before. >> geithner on the sunday shows was saying oh, yeah, the rep...

Be downgraded. imagine what that does to the markets. republicans see this as leverage for negotiation. they're saying democrats better agree to their spending cuts for next year's budget or they'll refuse to raise the debt limit. as you say, it's a game of chicken. today treasury secretary geithner, he was unusually forceful when he was asked about this at a panel he was speaking at sponsored by the atlantic magazine. listen to him speak this morning. >> i think the markets should understand -- i can say this with complete confidence -- that the u.s. will meet its obligations, that congress w...

I.c.e. only has -- it's about the numbers are about slightly more than 30,000 beds to hold folks and at any time there are more than that under some sort of deportation proceedings. in this case, i.c.e. came in contact with this guy after a previous drunk driving arrest in 2008. the question is not only why was he out on recognizance but why is it taking two years to deport somebody i.c.e. knows is an illegal and who has at least a criminal charge pending against him for a traffic charge for d.u.i. >> neil: obviously he would move up the list as a -- either a threat or at the very least a conc...

Deals had to be made, clearly. so that was then. now go back to february 8th february 8th, 2001, and this quote from democratic senator max backus. during those negotiations. there are lots of ways to do a tax cut and we want to do it in a way that is fair and that makes the most sense. and a size which fits it other needs. so, expiration in, deal on, to get the votes through. don't believe me? that's what happened then to a guy who was instrumental in making it happen then. karl rove. the former chief of staff to the president of the united states with me now. you know, when i heard this disc...

Doesn't wipe out the job losses, leaving aside the jobs saved or whatever, but that this is a trend that is in their -- the wind blowing at their back. what do you make of that. listen, i think all of us want to see a positive trend but the reality is confidence is lacking. while confidence is lacking on american working families and small business people, washington has continued on the spending spree. >> neil: do you think he should be replaced? is geithner the guy to be running -- >> listen, it's not geithner. it's the policies being pushed not only by this secretary but the president and...