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I think if joe biden enters the race, that proves the point the clinton campaign was trying to make on day one. point two here, the most important things folks need to understand, if joe biden jumps into the race, he allows for -- he makes hillary clinton a better candidate overall. he'll force her to take tough positions -- >> richard, let me push back on you a little bit. he's going to force her to spend some of her money, which she's been holding back. chris, go ahead. she'll be forced to spend some money. and then think about this. for me, this is the $64,000 question. if joe gets in, wher...

And rudy giuliani seems to be generating an awful lot of them. i think that that is also a question of how long the president is willing to put up with the bad headlines that rudy giuliani is generating. >> here's the thing, matt, too, rudy giuliani is not going to give an interview unless the president has greenlighted it. how does this keep happening? >> i think it's -- whether the two of them are on the same page on this. and whether there's some kind of strategy around this. but i do think that there's a lot of the president wanted rudy giuliani as an attack dog, and someone with star powe...

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