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A conservative versus who's a moderate within the republican party. >> you know, michael, i don't know why they don't wear uniforms like the code pink people do or other political group. show up, we're here to screw things up. all we're here to do is heckle. they look like hecklers. i'm sorry. mccain is right. he knows how the government works if it wants to work. if it doesn't want to work, there's a lot of ways to screw it up. these guys are doing it by saying, oh, we can't meet because we might agree. even though it's on television, it's a secret meeting, therefore, we can't have it. i mean...

All we're here to do is heckle. they look like hecklers. i'm sorry. mccain is right. he knows how the government works in it wants to work. if it doesn't want to work, there's a lot of ways to screw it up. these guys are doing it by saying, oh, we can't meet because we might agree. even though it's on television, it's a secret meeting, therefore, we can't have it. i mean, they're just making it up. >> they're playing to their base. they have folks who, as chris said, really think the senate is dysfunction dysfunctional. >> this is the dysfunctional -- >> the temper tantrum is going to make it ...