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>> but is this the issue -- is this the issue that's going to appeal to that base that you were just mentioning? i want to put up this kizer family foundation poll. 53% in this poll say they support single payer. 43% say they oppose it. neither support nor opposition firm in this particular poll. the poll finds the public's attitude on single payer are quite malleable and some people could change their opinions after hearing arguments that come up in a national debate. could it be overstating enthusiasm for the concept of single payer? >> i think it's definitely possible and probable. i think ...

Letting them buy into it, that's a much more gradual and less disruptive thing than what bernie sanders is proposing. i think it would be much smarter politically for democrats to do that. remember all the who-ha and turmoil created by president obama saying, if you like your health care plan, if you like your doctor, you can keep it. people take health care very seriously, very personally. once i start telling you your employer-sponsored insurance is gone and you're going to additionist going to be replaced by this government plan, he might get a little wigged out. >> just a smidge. >> just a...

Manufacturing jobs that are probably never coming back. what about making the booming technology industry accessible to more people. we need it all on the table. >> when you talk about reform, that's the difference. you mentioned the reagan tax reform. that's not what donald trump is proposing. he is proposing a single tax cut rit now. that is not the broad reaching reform that, a, he promised or that, b, needs to happen so that people really feel they're seeing change. >> which, d, is hard to do. it requires bipartisan support. >> when republicans this the house and the senate and the white h...

Donald trump is proposing. i'd say do what george bush did in 2003 when he came out with a tax holiday that allowed for multinational companies, those that -- american companies that make money overseas and they get taxed overseas, give them a one-time, 2.5%, which is what george w. bush did. give them to bring that money over here -- >> neil: are you comfortable as a conservative going in to bigger deficits? maybe adding to debt before you get some revenue from the tax cuts years down the road? >> no. the truth of the matter is, you have to spend money to make money. you have to invest -- >> ...

Because trump feeds on overreaction. i remember about a year ago when then nominee donald trump were amazed by how little he understood the concept of article 1 of the constitution and the specific powers of congress. i think a lot of them are going to be sitting there wanting to know, hey, is donald trump actually going to be talking to us, is he going to be working with us, is he looking to provide us guidance, is he going to cut our tires, is he going to kneecap us on all of this? we're in a very interesting moment where the president is going to try to showcase all the things he's done and...