And the fact that war lords and isis groups and al qaeda groups we talk about isis a lot, but there are a lot of other groups and activities out there, militias that are creating incredible chaos throughout libya. so people are running to escape that and to try to find something because if they don't particularly their young men, are recruited into these groups that's what they're trying to escape. >> steve clemens always appreciate your insight. we'll keep our eye on that news conference at about 10:30 eastern. the b.p. oil spill, a wildfire in california and cuomo. it's been five years now...