Their evidence. i mean, for all we know, trump could be giving evidence about other people not necessarily himself. i mean, the fact of the matter is, he has got to go in there and testify. and if he does, he won't have his lawyers in there with him. they'll be outside the grand jury room. he has to ask permission each time he wants to speak to his lawyers. >> i want -- you worked in the justice department. in the u.s. attorney's office, part of the justice department. what rosen tine had to say about protecting that independence. take a listen. >> there have been people who have been making t...