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Corruption which is rife throughout this part of the world. therefore, until those problems are addressed, you will always have those who go to the extreme, to the most fanatical solutions that might be out there and that's what isis represents. there are, for instance, young egyptians who took part in the revolution there in january of 2011, had hopes in that resolution, became disillusioned and joined isis and moved to syria or iraq. so unless that situation is changed, i'm afraid that we may not be far from the emergence of isis 2.0. fredricka. >> and now what's next if isis is gone in that...

Now, there's no guarantee all of this is going to hold together but any objective observer would have to say that isis and the ideology it reflects is growing and expanding and we are not effectively dealing with it. >> real quickly, before i let you go my question is not to indicate in any -- or suggest in any way that we live under some sort of singular christian faith in america but we do have some signs here like, in god we trust on our money and pledge of allegiance which, at last check, they still have words about god in it. is there a different onus on it? is there a different level of ...

192 men between june 11 and 14. >> reporter: the same brutality is also instilling hatred in the people they presume to rule. >> joining me now molly crabapple columnist for "vice" who just returned to a trip to the border. isis really gained strength in the syrian civil war. you were reporting on some fighters who are both fighting bashar al assad but also fighting isis. who are they? >> i crossed the syrian border 11 days ago to visit the border town where i met with front fighters. these men are religiously motivated fighters but reject the misinterpretation and really destruction of islam ...

Dictator that started killing his own people and you had the makings of a moderate opposition that still exists and that we still work with. i think that one of the things that the american people, at least, understand is that these societies are going through these enormous transformations and what we can do is work with the best impulses there. folks who understand moderation, tolerance are trying to deliver for their people. we are going to have to deal with some of the worst impulses there. the extremism that isis represents. what we are are not able to do is play wakamo and chase wherever...

Changes in society generally and economic pressures, you know, there is going to be this long difficult transition moving to a different kind of society in the middle east, and what we can do is work with the best impulses there. folks who understand moderation and tolerance trying to deliver for their people. we have to deal with the worst impulses there. the extremists that isis represents. what we are not able to do is play whackmo where they occupy those countries long periods of time and think we will solve those problems. that season sis ea that. >> we will have much more of the intervie...