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By proof. that's why mueller believes him. it's not a personality contest. why is it never enough for those who support the president to point out lying. why isn't a pattern of lying to the american people about things that matter in moments that matter, not impressive, doesn't mean it's illegal. we're talking about political judgment here, and political consequences. can't lying add it up in a pattern that we're starting to see here matter? right, like you said, lying, obviously lying to congress is a crime, lying to investigators is a crime, lying to the people is not necessarily a crime, bu...

Why isn't a pattern of lying to the american people about things that matter in moments that matter, not impressive, doesn't mean it's illegal. we're talking about political judgment here, and political consequences. can't lying add it up in a pattern that we're starting to see here matter? right, like you said, lying, obviously lying to congress is a crime, lying to investigators is a crime, lying to the people is not necessarily a crime, but that doesn't make it ethical. i think that mueller's team did exactly what you said. they're not going to take cohen's word for it. the famous statement...

Theory before. i don't know that the secular progressive attack sticks. there's a lot of querkyness. >> i think you framed it just right. this is again a crazy cycle. could ben carson being this inconsistent and having this many questions raised for people still be the republican nominee? i think he can be if no one else rises up as a challenger. there are other strong candidates that will challenge him. this isn't a pattern of exaggeration that speaks to

Here's him very honestly talking about what he would have done had he found himself in that shower at that moment. john richie right here. >> i can't imagine seeing what he saw. when i try to put myself in that position and conceptualize my defensive coordinator, jerry sandusky doing what he is aalleged to have done in that shower to that little boy, that victim, at that point in time, my mind would be gone. i would flee. i would run. i would try to grasp exactly what i had seen. my world would be turned upside down. >> you know, chris, we've seen this serial number of accusations here but wha...

Innocent. why did the high court rule against him? >> you know, this is a tough case. this case was about the fact that prosecutors hid exculpatory evidence, and defense team found this years after he was on death row. and this man was arguing, listen, the district attorney, the person in charge, failed to train his prosecutors and failed to leth them know they had to turn over this evidence. supreme court said that's not true. this isn't a pattern of indifference, this was an isolated case. so, no, you're not going to get the $14 million that you were awarded. i will say this, this was a shar...