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Make people angry and frightened to pass laws that help everybody. the other thing i hear you on is congress, particularly the senate, passing the equality act, but it is a 50/50 senate. isn't 9 solution to elect more democrats to the senate so that the democratic majority is not beholden to, to senators in particular? >> i think it's all of the above. i think we've got to work the senate as it is. i think we've got to elect senators, both republicans and democrats, that are willing to unapologetically support equality. we're talking about equality. you know, just like we were talking about vo...

>> i'm not looking at montenegro itself and looking at the full 29 countries that make up nato. >> tucker: that's all bad decisions get made when people don't look at statistics. >> here are specifics, how many times has the collective defense ever been triggered? >> tucker: once. >> one was that? >> tucker: it was after 9/11. >> it was a sign of solidarity. the one i think that's great but this isn't 9/11. the fact is that we are obligated to defend all of these countries, slovakia, albania, turkey. what would happen if israel attacked turkey, that's not a crazy possibility, you could easily ...

Montenegro? >> i think the president isn't getting the credit he deserves for raising the issue of realigning t nato. as you worry about whether we will defend nato, it seems to be the reaction that nato has saved the western civilization. it's an odd discussion to me in this respect if i may say. the president of the united states is the one who in his campaign talked about reorienting nato, talked about the fact you talk about washington being ossified and dumb. if this is a president who came in with bright ideas who is attacked from every element of the establishment and those who are inve...

Not according to washington's definition of fair. but wealth's definition of fair, which means everybody gets treated the same. that's fair. >> but then herman cain spent the day explaining how everyone doesn't get treated the same. how some individual taxpayers would be treated differently and how some businesses would be treated differently in the tax code in the herman cain tax code. kind of like the way the tax code is now tailored to the different circumstances of different taxpayers. herman cain's keep it simple plan of taxation is already starting to develop some complications. >> if yo...

Mitt romney, that's part of his identity, but it's been vetted and dealt with. with cain, this flip-flopping day to day and hour to hour they say is more damaging for a frontrunner. >> now, let me ask you something, bob, since she brought up cain. i hate to shock and amaze you, but he changed 9-9-9 today to 9-0-9 talking about flip-flopping. let me show you mr. cain just changed his theme. >> if you are at or below the poverty level, your plan isn't 9-9-9, it's 9-0-9. say amen, y'all. 9-0-9. in other words, if you are at or below the poverty level based upon family size because there's a diffe...