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Run by -- >> i said both. i said they're both -- there's no question here that there is -- that there's a motive here to get to the president. let's just be honest. bob mueller is there to get to the president. and the southern district of new york is a different investigation -- >> but isn't it run by a trump appointee? >> it's not run by a trump appointee buzz the trump appointee recused himself. it's run by a career person. we have no idea the background of that person. the bottom line is here, i think the greatest damage that's been done is donald trump doing what you just said, out there ...

Illegal and doesn't tell me, i'm not off the hook. that's just not the way that it works. >> senator santorum, the president said this was done solely to embarrass him. that is not exactly how the justice department works, is it? >> well, look, i think bob mueller has a political motive here and i do believe the justice department is very much targeted in -- >> this comes from the southern district of new york, which is run by -- >> i said both. i said they're both -- there's no question here that there is -- that there's a motive here to get to the president. let's just be honest. bob mueller...

Involved here. the illegality is not the contribution, the illegality is not reporting it. i'm not condoning it and don't suggest that i am. >> and what you keep saying is his problem is he keeps lying and his explanations about it. isn't the reason he's lying because he did something bad in the first place? if he did nothing wrong, why doesn't he tell a straightforward version of the truth? >> he did something bad in having an affair with a porn star, i agree with you, that's horrible. >> shan? >> i think it's important to differentiate here. it's not a political question. it's a legal questi...

Paying off porn stars and women with whom you've had affairs, putting that to one side, isn't the reason -- >> jeffrey, you're not going to put that to the side. i'm not making excuses for donald trump having affair with a porn star. i mean, that's disgusting. it it's taudry. i'm addressing the question as to what is the illegality involve here. the illegality is not the contribution, the illegality is not reporting it. i'm not condoning it and don't suggest that i am. >> you say his problem is he keeps lying and his explanations about it. isn't the reason he's lying because he did something b...