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Imagine that any attempt to unrecuse oneself from an investigation really was met with any degree of seriousness. again, breaking news, so it's very difficult -- >> well, it wasn't. whitaker actually, who is clearly an ally of president trump's, rebuffs this effort. and he essentially says that this cannot be done because there seems to be an understanding of what that would mean. so it isn't met with seriousness from his acting attorney general. but with the president's desire to do this, what do you think? >> it would be better if he didn't have that desire if, in fact, he had that desire. t...

There was no collusion. >> okay. obviously, he's obsessed with that. is mueller going to definitively answer that crucial question? because that's the question that, if you can definitively answer, you're going to get a broad swath of the american public behind that conclusion as opposed to obstruction of justice, which could seem much more political. >> one of two things is going to happen. he'll either have sufficient evidence that he thinks it's definitive and he'll charge some people with crimes relating to so-called collusion, or he'll conclude that that very high standard that a prosecut...

If it's -- it's ludicrous. arthel: you understand the only reason it's such a point of contention is only because at one point as you well know, judge kavanaugh was instrumental in writing the legal papers to have president clinton impeached, and in 2009 he wrote for the law review changing his position to that which i just stated, saying he doesn't think a sitting president should be subject to such legal liability. >> who would be the immediate beneficiary of his change of view? barack obama. the democrats made scorched earth demands to obstruct and delay this nomination and claim when their...

You are telling me that a couple of guys with a very crude device may get close enough to do something and they are worried about that? i think we have got to be going at them, getting into their ooddle and how they think so we can prevent. this this tells me we are not out there like we should penetrating these groups and getting ahead of them. >> peter: how do you get ahead of them and what are we doing? it seems be out of nowhere, aly, tucker, because we have been told time and time again as well as in the 2012 election that the terrorists were on the run. so now we wake up on a day in augu...

Do with failure of the democrats to articulate a narrative that made sense to people and a plan how to get us out of here. >> the governor you heard him say in the press conference there's a friday deadline looming on restructuring of the state's debt. if that isn't met, that could lead to some layoffs, fairly quickly. do you think that deadline is real, and do you think it might force the hand of the democratic senators? >> i don't know how real it is, and i don't know whose hand it forces. i think it is complicated. either side, for walker, he's already been given the money now. he can't say...