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15 billion fewer liters of it. trying to backfill what europe was taking from russia and trying to loosen the dependence and trying to ensure that vladimir putin isn't profiting off of europe's dependence on this gas. now when the president leaves brussels and comes to poland later today, it will really be an opportunity for him to see at much closer range some of these issues he had been talking about at nato over the last several days. one of them is of course refugees. that's something the president will focus on. he'll attend the roundtable with aid workers. andre duta had been saying the ...

Acknowledge and step up to that. that's a serious, brave president would do. a man of integrity would do. >> or even acknowledge, you know what, i called people evil, i demagogued people, i made them less than human. >> he ought to calm it down. you know, if he just cooled it for a little bit, it would make a big difference. >> david axelrod, very quickly. >> i was struck by -- i was struck by something he said to lesley stahl about why he taunted dr. ford after having said nice things about her and he said, well, we wouldn't have won if i hadn't done that. that is donald trump. he thinks that...

Struck by something he said to lesley stahl about why he taunted dr. ford after having said nice things about her and he said, well, we wouldn't have won if i hadn't done that. that is donald trump. he thinks that this works. he thinks he is profiting from it politically. he will stop if he believes that he will -- he isn't profiting politically from it. he is not making moral judgments here. he is not thinking about his responsibility as president. he's thinking about his needs and his -- and his benefits as a politician. that's a terrible, terrible thing right now. >> yeah. david axelrod, gl...

Salad while she talks in these terms. i understand that you're against abortion period. but taking that out of the debate, given the fact this they say they're not profiting here, what's wrong with what's going on? >> it's not true they're not profiting here. there were pamphlets given to planned parenthood clinics that use the word profit in terms of profiting here. there were pamphlets given to planned parndhood clinic specifically using the word profit. >> they are not profiting. they are giving it at cost to a tissue middleman. i'm not saying the middle man isn't profiting, but the -- >> y...

Salad while she talks in these terms. i understand that you're against abortion period. but taking that out of the debate, given the fact this they say they're not profiting here, what's wrong with what's going on? >> it's not true they're not profiting here. there were pamphlets given to planned parenthood clinics that use the word profit in terms of profiting here. there were pamphlets given to planned parndhood clinic specifically using the word profit. >> they are not profiting. they are giving it at cost to a tissue middleman. i'm not saying the middle man isn't profiting, but the -- >> y...