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All the developments for us. you see her there at the white house late this evening. so you know she's got news that something is working. kaitlan, i just got handed a note about what you are about to tell us now about the president being possibly close to a deal, but he is making some major concessions. what do you know? >> yeah, don, the president had this marathon of meetings today with lawmakers, starting with the two holdouts, of course, senator manchin and senator sinema this morning. then this afternoon he had very long meetings with progressives and moderates simply here at the white h...

January 6, and this committee will get to the bottom of that. >> let me just say this about liz cheney. you may not agree with her politics and whatever it is, but what she's doing i think is pretty heroic. even i was watching, i've been watching. wow. she even looks lighter, like there is a load lifted off of her shoulder. look at her. she looks great. i don't mean that in a sexist way. you know when people finally make a decision to do something, they do the right thing, that's what liz cheney looks like. hey republicans, that's what freedom looks like. so make no mistake. this is not just a...

Standing by and our democracy is being threatened and people are running roughshod over the republic and its laws and institutions. >> don lemon is a good man because he does what he does. chris kwoecuomo is a flawed man because he does what he does. we're all flawed men. that's how the members of congress are going to be measured. i'm not one to pump the podcast "the handoff" the way don does. but if you listen to the new version of the podcast, you will learn something about one of us. >> do not -- >> oh, i'm not going to. >> okay. >> but you will learn something about one of us that you wil...

(ted koppel) help us find and protect those most vulnerable at copdsos.org. all right. back with me now, michael higginbotham and scott jennings. as i mentioned before the break, the jefferson statue isn't being destroyed. why is having statues moved to educational sites or museums going overboard. >> well, if you read the commentary of the people who are moving it, they're not moving it to have more conversation about thomas jefferson. they're not moving it to do something good here. in fact, one of the people that has been trying to move it for 20 years says in the paper tonight he wishes ...

Destroyed. let's not make a mistake about why it's being done. you have people who want to get rid of this thing. they want to send a signal to their political supporters that, hey, we're standing up for what you believe in by getting rid of the founding fathers and everything else. and i just don't think it's right. the professor, by the way, made some points about the civil war statues, the confederacy statues that you know i agree with. i don't like the row mantization of it. i don't like the lionization of lee at the expense of lincoln and grant and sherman and others. but what i don't lik...