destroyed. let's not make a mistake about why it's being done. you have people who want to get rid of this thing. they want to send a signal to their political supporters that, hey, we're standing up for what you believe in by getting rid of the founding fathers and everything else. and i just don't think it's right. the professor, by the way, made some points about the civil war statues, the confederacy statues that you know i agree with. i don't like the row mantization of it. i don't like the lionization of lee at the expense of lincoln and grant and sherman and others. but what i don't like is using the confederate statue argument as the gateway drug to get rid of everything else. in new york city, we had teddy roosevelt come down already, which i was very unhappy about. now you've got thomas jefferson being moved supposedly to a different site. i just think there's something deeper at work here. >> i want to get the professor in. last word, please. short time here. >> well, as scott mentioned, jefferson has made some significant contributions, but in looking and evaluating the whole person, we have to