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Of character that mr. lewandowski is. he showed himself very, very poorly. and we got some very important things on the record about the obstruction by this president. so i'm pleased that we continued with the hearing. >> why is it only a consideration, though, to hold him in contempt, if you believe that there is no actual privilege that he can exert? >> i -- that's beyond me. that is up to the chairman, actually. >> so -- but you want him to do it? you want him to push through with this, with the contempt? >> we have a lot to do. so i really count on the wisdom of the chairman in negotiating...

>> sean: it was temporary. >> temporary can't be stupid. >> sean: let me agree with one point, i heard the arguments that night and i was screaming listening to them because you're right. in our sleep, all of us could have done a better job. this was not donald trump's attorney general, he had not been approved yet, that was the problem with obstructionism, right? >> you can say that if jeff sessions had been in place, something would have been different. i tend to doubt it. for example, you antiwe had a debate over the order. i said this isn't substantive, this is hubris. this is just action ...

>> temporary can't be stupid. >> sean: let me agree with one point, i heard the arguments that night and i was screaming listening to them because you're right. in our sleep, all of us could have done a better job. this was not donald trump's attorney general, he had not been approved yet, that was the problem with obstructionism, right? >> you can say that if jeff sessions had been in place, something would have been different. i tend to doubt it. for example, you antiwe had a debate over the order. i said this isn't substantive, this is hubris. this is just action for action's sake, it's not...