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White house at no time spoke to steve bannon or his counsel, that simply isn't true based on what you saw in that room the other day? >> well, that would have been pretty bold for that lawyer to come into that room and state to congress -- you can't lie to congress -- that he was talking to the white house when he was indeed not. >> so the white house is not telling the truth there? >> that lawyer represented he was in contact with the white house and our staff was in contact with the majority staff with the white house so we were all on the same page as far as what the white house's position ...

Attention, let me see what i think about this guy. the question is, now that they're taking that second look, when they go to his website and say, wait a second, what he said on the stage about people with pre-existing conditions isn't true based on what it says on his campaign website, what are they going to really think and believe and what will the next debate performance bring? >> all right, that's for people who are really going to investigate and do the time and research that you suggest, which a lot of people may not do. but john, you heard chuck todd saying this bounce is real, but wha...