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>> trish: i think it's pretty fair to say the policies were not the policies we should have proceeded with. this idea that somehow the world could take care of itself -- at the time, given what we had gone through with a rock, a lot of people thought that maybe that was the right thing to do. president obama is sticking to that old ideology. >> meghan: a lot less children would have been gassed in syria. >> mo: i am as critical of the syria policy as a lot of people are. that is one regret is how we handled syria. i would not call the united states isolationists during the obama years. >> tris...

Completely backtracked. >> mo: does not mean we were isolationists. it >> sandra: it would have been nice for the former president to say i want the best for america, the best for this president and have that moment. >> meghan: we could talk about this all day. more "outnumbered," will be right back those who suffer from lower back pain

Because of the multi pillar world defended by donald trump but also theresa may and vladimir putin. i have a feeling it's mrs. merkel and mr. hollande who should feel isolated. >> that's the divide that you have, you have this globalist world who believe this interconnected community in the europe and the u.s. and these individual isolationists who want to band together in a team. do you sense that france is leaning in one way or the other? >> well, france seems to be leaning against that. on the one hand what's very disturbing about this campaign, even if macron wins by quite a lot, is how mu...

Function again. david: but, kim, in some cases he is changing the status quo. not necessarily being influenced by it, but really changing it. i'm thinking of foreign policy. as general keane was just saying, the whole leading from behind thing has changed completely. he's totally reversed that, hasn't he? >> yeah, that is over. and also he's done some things that, i think, have surprised people in positive ways, especially in foreign policy. remember, there were great fears when this president was coming to office that this was an isolationists after some of the talk about america first. in fa...

>> you saw who he chose for his cabinet. "mad dog" mattis. you saw a lot of his in terms of who donald trump would be taking advice from, and they weren't going to be the isolationists. howie: the russian ties were rooted in the notion there was an unholy alliance between the trump side and putin side. but you don't think the changes in policy are knocking that down at all? marie: i think they are road in the fact that the intelligence community said russia interfered in this election. the f.b.i. investigations and the congressional investigations, these are ongoing.