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Violating the civil liberties of americans. we are going to need programs like this in order to be identify people before they can attack us to identify cells and break them up before they can conduct attacks, even with the existence of these programs these homegrown violent extremists have been able to carry out attacks. imagine without them. i know this, if god forbid there's an attack tomorrow morning on another major u.s. city, the first question everyone is going to have is why didn't we know about them and how come we didn't stop it. the answer better not be because a tool we once had th...

Isolationists as much as i would love to be this does not remain within the middle east it keeps spilling over and continues to destabilize the region potentially the world. >> chairman of the senate homeland security committee senator ron johnson thank you for being on as well this morning. still ahead on "morning joe," people in new hampshire are now taking a second look at chris christie and that's according to his biggest fan, the "new york times." plus more on the breaking political news this morning. emerging two man race on the republican side. we're not talking about donald trump and b...

Tonight because you are not seen the lockstep republican party of old. you are seeing these different factions. you are seeing the born again. you are seeing the establishment. you are seen interventionists, isolationists in another country they might be three separate parties. >> well said. my phrase was lord of the flies. a bunch of kids i got stuck on an island trying to make up their own government. it's kind of frightening. last thought? >> no. i was just going to say what is interesting to me about the republican mythology is that there were these good old days. putting aside the fact th...

>> i forgot he was in the race. >> that's not -- >> very militarily oriented. then you have trump who's playing the domestic side about it about not taking the syrian refugees. you know what's happening in the republican party? we have two polar opposites. we have the hard neocon and the noninterventionists, isolationists. we need a happy medium between them. >> can an outsider get you there? >> oh, yeah. nixon and reagan, their foreign policy was the right balance of being strong militarily. >> a guy like senator rand paul? >> no. he'll be out of this race before thanksgiving. >> to support j...

>> that's not -- >> very militarily oriented. then you have trump who's playing the domestic side about it about not taking the syrian refugees. you know what's happening in the republican party? we have two polar opposites. we have the hard neocon and the noninterventionists, isolationists. we need a happy medium between them. >> can an outsider get you there? >> oh, yeah. nixon and reagan, their foreign policy was the right balance of being strong militarily. >> a guy like senator rand paul? >> no. he'll be out of this race before thanksgiving. >> to support john's point, let me just say -- ...