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This birther issue is more than one person. there's a lot of groups that have glommed onto this. i think the republicans are making a terrible mistake in making this a big issue. we have immigration. we have the deficit. we have the economy. those are the things that the public cares about. if the republican party doesn't start addressing that, they will lose and deserve to. >> not as a journalist but as an american, are you offended by this birther talk? >> not really. it's obviously a stand-in for something else. people lost their minds over something related to the president and expresses i...

Now. i think everyone wants a little bit of amusement, spring is in the air. people are looking for something to laugh at. the numbers are going down. the bottom line is this guy is a figment of everybody's imagination in some -- >> he is? >> well, yeah. >> who's got a better chance of being elected president next year, him or pawlenty? >> pawlenty. >> really? >> no. >> yes. >> i don't think he's up against a fast track here. i think he's on a muddy slow track, galloping along. >> come on, chris. you know that presidential races are won by slogging it out in iowa and new hampshire. he is mr. f...

Point but not quite accurately. let's watch. >> sometimes you will have a primary where republican is even mentioned and where there is no republican or where he is expected to get 4% of the vote and i'll be in a foreign state or i'll be in a foreign country doing business and i am i supposed to drive back when the republican is considered to get 3% of the vote or there is no republican even running? so a little bit of that, but in terms of the general election, my record is very good. generally speaking, i like to vote. i'm a believer in voting, i will tell you. >> i love this, jenny. he says...

Already on the run, they're playing dodgeball here, does that tell -- what's that tell the top republicans in the house? >> you asked why did they do it? i think there was a sort of group frenzy, group mentality, that we have to do something with the tea party initially, we've got to be with the tea party. and so they did it. this was the one thing they felt they had -- >> are they dead? >> after the election. >> are they dead? >> well, they're going to run as fast as they can unless they change the subject. between now and next year, they're dead. >> how do they -- >> they can't change the fa...

Basically side with the rebels and say, we've got to really go in there and help them. but here's lindsey graham, his longtime ally from south carolina, on libya. let's listen to lindsey graham. >> it is leading to a military stalemate. right now, there's just not enough moment by the rebels, even if they're better armed, to break through to tripoli. there's not deep support for gadhafi. so my recommendation to nato and the administration is to cut the head of the snake off. go to tripoli, start bombing gadhafi's inner circle, their compounds, their military headquarters in tripoli. >> do we h...