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But i mean, as far as eleanor holmes norton being on the transportation committee, what's next? you going to name eric swalwell to the house intelligence committee? right, that already happened. why not name aoc to the house financial services committee. oh yeah, that happened, too. i'm not going to call it ageism. but i think we have to have some common sense here. perhaps a few folks in the audience are not going to like it. why can't we pass a law that says if you were born before world war ii began you need to retake your driver's test after the age of x. not the written part that's a spec...

Get there and appeal to people. he's coming in so late in the game that i don't know how he does it. that is the big question looming around his campaign right now. >> mara, is it ageism or totally fair game and germane for a conversation like the one we're having, you pointed to this, to say that he will give us three democrats who would enter their 80s during a first term in office? >> i don't think it's ageism. i think it's perfectly legitimate a question to ask. frankly, when you look at judges who are appointed to a lifetime, those are questions we consider, rightly so, all the time. that...

Both of those won't go well if they're trying to pull back some of the 62 million folks or so who voted for donald trump. >> that's the thing, he doesn't really have a core constituency right now. a lot of people are saying he hurts biden, and he does, to an extent. but the problem for him is that he doesn't have a core audience. who does he appeal to? african-americans don't really get behind him. he needs to build that democratic coalition and how does he begin to do that? the working class voters? eh, iffy. i don't know if they would get behind him. and that's the joe biden's corps constitu...

Get behind him. he needs to build that democratic coalition, and how does he begin to do that? the working-class voters, iffy. i don't know if they would get behind him, and that is joe biden's core constituency. those are the people who are going to elevate him, and those are the people he's depending on to win the nomination. so i think he has to sort of come out of the gate right away and kind of prove or, you know, get there and appeal to people, and he's kimmicoming in so late the game that i don't know how he does it. and that is the big question looming around his campaign right now. >>...

For joe biden. i think it's really important for us to remember our nation's history on these issues. it's not history from a really long time ago. it directly impacted me. and so, when we talk about these issues, we can't talk about it with nostalgia only. like, oh, those days. those days have an impact on today. and that's what i felt needed to be said. that's why i said it. >> one of the debates' other big moments came up when eric swalwell brought up the age difference of the democratic candidates. in the spin room, bernie sanders criticized that line of thinking, calling it ageism. >> if ...