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Amnesty one moment, the next moment it's about the dream act we have to help this kids. this narrative playing out in southwest texas with thousands upon thousands of people, adults and unaccompanied minors are streaming across the border, it strikes a lot of people out there, the whole situation is out of control. and the so-called smart establishment people are either not commenting on it, or they are just not equipped to deal with it or don't want to deal with it. >> let me follow you up on that, laura, how big of a factor do you think it was? what i hear you saying it's not just illegal im...

Case. but that is where we are on this issue. it's a very emotional, explosive issue and the people who feel the way they feel about it are powerful. this is not something the country is unanimous. the country favors immigration reform broadly speaking. nobody is for amnesty and nobody says they are. >> of course, i think that term is not being used in the way it's phrased in the dictionary by people like laura. but i'll let her respond in a minute. however, i want to get this on camera first. we just got erjake cantor's remarks. we'll let the viewers decide for themselves. the now defeated ho...

He waged a one issue campaign against eric cantor, and his issue was immigration. he accused cantor of supporting immigration reform. he called it amnesty. he said it was amnesty, that president obama was helping get amnesty, whether it was that or other dynamics at work, chuck todd earlier this evening, highlighted the roll of very low turnout maybe deciding this race tonight. regardless, this was a one-issue campaign. eric cantor spent somewhere in neighborhood of $1 million. dave brat just addressed his supporters a short time ago saying this is the happiest moment of his life, but again, t...

Amnesty one moment, the next moment it's about the dream act we have to help this kids. this narrative playing out in southwest texas with thousands upon thousands of people, adults and unaccompanied minors are streaming across the border, it strikes a lot of people out there, the whole situation is out of control. and the so-called smart establishment people are either not commenting on it, or they are just not equipped to deal with it or don't want to deal with it. >> let me follow you up on that, laura, how big of a factor do you think it was? what i hear you saying it's not just illegal im...

The republican party and eric cantor was among them who were in favor of amnesty. that is a word you hear flung aword by opponents. amnesty has a meaning. it means pardon. basically means an unconditional pardon. there's not a single immigration reform measure that's been advanced by anybody, certainly not any republicans that involves an unconditional pardon for anybody. now, there are rigorous steps, some bills more rigorous than others that would have to be gone through by these immigrants to achieve a path to citizenship and so forth. but anything that -- amnesty is an epithet. it's very e...