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It seems pretty clear that president trump himself appreciates whatever role giuliani is playing in this whether it deflects or distracts from the president himself and focuses on giuliani and his antics, or he still truly believes he is the type of messenger that's effective in trump's response. i think if president trump truly didn't want rudy giuliani out there, it would be a lot more clear than what we see right now. >> let's remind everyone why this is significant, because rudy giuliani played a central role in the impeachment saga. he was dispatched by the president. he enlisted him as a...

>> and join manage se john cipher, a former member of the intelligence service, and a former world wide operation. and so i am sure that you are on the same page as us here on msnbc that we have no intent to unmask this whistle-blower, and msnbc is only reporting that it is a cia employee, and why is the president latching on the conspiracy theory, and to deflect away from the russia's culpability for some reason? >> i don't think that it deflects from russia's culpability, but the opposite. if we can remember that the theorys are pushed from the russian, and the russians are pushing the theor...

What happens. and then finally, eli made a really good point, it's for emergencies. it's not for your convenience. you can't create an emergency. but he's going to play this out because it deflects from whatever else goes on, it deflects from his weak polls, it deflects from all of that. >> john, very quickly before i bring rachel in, i've seen statistics that said something like 70% of what's sold in walmart is sourced from china. here's a short list of the things that donald trump's own businesses create and source in china. apparel, glasses, home goods, furniture -- why would anybody buy ho...

The white house, the voting apparatus in different states have to convince people that the vote is going to be legitimate and it's not being infiltrated in any way. so that is a reason perhaps why you have this partisan divide because president trump has resisted this. remember just a few months ago he had a voting commission that he had to disband because he wasn't setting up something seen as bipartisan. >> it's fascinating to think back, 2012 mitt romney said russia was the greatest existential threat to the united states. you go to 80% of our republicans in our poll saying they're not conc...

Night when it broke, governor, "the new york times" is calling for your dismissal from the race. i'm sure he was ecstatic in the context of what we have just discussed. nothing could be better. >> because we're talking about him. >> for the times to be calling for it, i know you used to be there, but it plays so well to the republican base that "the new york times" wants me out. >> it definitely does. just remember when these candidates, republican or democrat, are talking about the media, when they are talking about us, it's like wearing body armor. it deflects. think about what they are not ...