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Are folks that have the ability to say i'm not coming. there are various methods of enforcement when you go to court, there will be executive privilege as you mentioned the former president trump said he'll assert that. it doesn't fly, as you know, because the right to assert executive privilege is held by the office of the presidency and whoever the current occupant of that office is. in this case, it's joe biden, not former president trump as much as he wishes that were so. it's also true one of the four people was not an employee of the government and there couldn't have been any executive ...

Already said he's going to assert that. it doesn't fly as you know because the right to assert executive privilege is held by the office of the presidency and whoever the current occupant of that office is. in this case it's joe biden, not former president trump as much as he wishes that were so. it's also true that one of the four people was not even an employee of the government, with whom there couldn't be an executive assertion that steve bannon.. my guess is you'll see a lot of back and forth, criminal contempt we've really not seen that. it's a difficult thing to pull off. where an execu...

But being kind of a charade. they were like i had in mind the studio wrestling charade. with matt gaetz as vince mcman or something. they could have gone to the court. it doesn't fly. first, you had trump say on the white house lane we're stone walling everything. second you had the counsel say this is constitutionally e legitimate. the record is clear that it's not about having ju dish process. it's calling a total halt to things before they start. >> democrats have tried to make the case that the president engaged in abuse of power. that continues to hurt the american people. that it's an on...

Bolton there. but glenn's right, if you're not going to come forward and be truth and transparent, we'll just assume you were going to hurt the ultimate person, which is president trump. >> is that a safe assumption to make, though, as the democrats are trying to gather evidence? because we are dealing with an administration here, including the president himself, who routinely say things on the record publicly and then routinely do not want to do the same in a setting like a hearing or a more sort of stratified setting. >> well, is there a fear that maybe later on during the senate trial -- be...

Be retaliated against. there is no reason -- i think the idea that this person wouldn't be safe i think is sort of ridiculous. this person is making a huge allegation against the president of the united states on derivative information from a phone call we've already seen the evidence. i think they should have to testify and stand in front of the american people and most importantly congress and answer these questions. >> bill: let's see if it comes to that. the reason we bring that up there is reporting today suggesting the whistleblower wants to testify with written answers. would that ever ...