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And rick dearborn was so over his head in that job he didn't know which end was up. >> you just described the first two years of the trump administration. >> yes. and that is -- >> isn't that worrying? >> well of course it is. and that is the thesis of the book. the thesis of the book is there was a way for this to go better. it doesn't mean everything has gone wrong and everything hasn't gone wrong and i'm not -- >> we're still alive. >> but i don't subscribe to the oh, my god, this is the -- how many times have we said either i've watched you say this on this program or other programs on oth...

Maybe? beto o'rourke, joe biden, bernie sanders, sherrod brown, amy klobuchar. do they wait a couple months? >> i think they're all eyeing each other and waiting to see what their rollout is going to be. kamala harris is created a new bar for a fabulous rollout. it was extremely successful. out in oakland there were people who were saying it was presidential, they were saying is she already president? >> beware of that. >> sure, but to get a crowd of 20,000 people. who else do you think can do that right now? i guess maybe biden can do it, but i think that certainly does mean something. it doe...

Conversations with white house officials following the big meeting. this is so important to keep the government funded at least for a couple of weeks. yesterday's meeting always about bridging the political span which some people would argue is about the size of the grand canyon. yesterday they put heads together and figured out a way to get it over to congressional lawmakers on the hill to keep the government operating so far. it doesn't mean everything is worked out. we have to work out funding the military and veterans and what about a daca fix and children's health programs? it is all stil...

Are now in the question of where do you draw the line and at what point do you say will live in a country where we have no history. we don't have statues to president anything from where we originate. >> robert e lee memorial is also coming down. pete: this is the logic goes. if christopher columbus isn't good enough for anyone who owned slaves, then our country had passed since and we know that but. abby: and it told us. we will continue to evolve as a nation. pete: but we appeal to those founding was to get better. it doesn't mean everything was perfect but this is why president trump was ri...

Commentators, the white house, the house, the senate, all of the outside groups laser focused on that. that's the thinging we haven't seen. that's where this becomes problematic. when the commentators start attacking leaders that gives fuel for maybe some of the caucuses that may reside in the house or outside groups to join them and start firing, as well. as long as they have reason or backing to stay out of a tax deal or say we're not going to agree because our folks are saying this is a bad idea that, helps sink everything. it doesn't mean everything is going to fail, tax reform is going to...