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Schools. it doesn't sit well. >> it's the schools to me that owe the explanations. they have good reputations. >> this is another indication of an institution in the united states being corrupt at its core. you'll see a backlash to this. we have seen in politics. i will say that growing up in tennessee, one of the luxuries is you don't have to worry if your parents bribed your way into college. >> where is that? >> i grew up there. >> i got that. >> this does have a feel of we're just lifting up a rock. you think about the pressures universities have whether they are state funded, partially st...

Vast. >> but i digress, why does he have these tapes? >> there are a couple different theories on this. there is a few bar associations that are splint about whether or not it is permissible or ethical to record your client. but is it ethical. there is some explanation that he likes to have a back um. some journalists like to do that. in his case though, i think this will really blow up in his face. it doesn't sit well. you lay it along the 16 cell phones, the creating of llcs so

Are saying oh, here's paula deen again. it doesn't sit well. >> carl. >> elisabeth, thank you for having me. this is a bunch of nonsense again. i think blacks have too much time on their hand because they are unemployed with our high unemployment rate we have to focus on nonsense like this. if paula deen was organizing she could give money to democratic campaigns. >> i wonder if she's a business consultant of her. she might do better business if they were organizing gay weddings. there is a context. there is a truth what he says sometimes it's ridiculous when we're looking at america and

Is his heart in pushing for extension of this program which he long expressed doubts about? >> when you compare to what he's doing on trade, one of his top priorities he's been making phone calls to the hill out talking about it around the country. this has been a much more cautious and as you see tepid pr strategy by the white house. they want this renewed and do think the bill that the house passed is a compromise in having the telephone companies keep the data as opposed to the government keeping this. this is inherently an uncomfortable issue for the president. when you when he became pres...

I think that effects women really a lot. they see that and they say, i'm not for that. am i wrong on that? >> as much as we've been talking about women's issues, in a lot of the races, what these women are running on is, like you said, economic populism. it's the core of elizabeth warren's message. it's the core of the message in north dakota. so in a sense, economic populism shades over into women's issues because women end up being the person in charge of caring for ailing family members, being the person in charge of health care for their children. so they know very viscerally what it would...