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>> the dysfunction of the urban family and crime in the urban family -- >> -- how come hillary clinton doesn't know he it. >> hillary clinton knows. >> why didn't she say? >> because there is two things going on here. >> she is exploiting it. >> there are two things going on here. number one is the big fishing. there is urban crime and decay and a cancer. that is a big big thing that our urban leaders have not tried to get their arms around and could not address. it drives -- i agree with you. that's what creates the conversation with the cops have interface with the kids and sometimes tragic ...

Urban family and crime in the urban family -- >> -- how come hillary clinton doesn't know he it. >> hillary clinton knows. >> why didn't she say? >> because there is two things going on here. >> she is exploiting it. >> there are two things going on here. number one is the big fishing. there is urban crime and decay and a cancer. that is a big big thing that our urban leaders have not tried to get their arms around and could not address. it drives -- i agree with you. that's what creates the conversation with the cops have interface with the kids and sometimes tragic results. you cannot deny t...

We're back with chris horner, go ahead. the epa for me it seems, we had cap and trade it was a big thing. it failed, it failed miserably but the obama administration, we're going to empower the epa for keeping a lid on carbon, what is the difference? >> a 5-4 decision of the supreme court said epa can regulate anything, air, oxygen. as long as they claim a grounding in the statute. we'll regulate carbon dioxide as a pollutant. so now epa.... >> eric: we don't have a lot of time. who pays under the scheme? who benefits? >> it drives -- the president said, to energy prices to skyrocket and bankr...

Momentum. we're back with chris horner, go ahead. the epa for me it seems, we had cap and trade it was a big thing. it failed, it failed miserably but the obama administration, we're going to empower the epa for keeping a lid on carbon, what is the difference? >> a 5-4 decision of the supreme court said epa can regulate anything, air, oxygen. as long as they claim a grounding in the statute. we'll regulate carbon dioxide as a pollutant. so now epa.... >> eric: we don't have a lot of time. who pays under the scheme? who benefits? >> it drives -- the president said, to energy prices to skyrocket...

The way the country is going. what can he offer to solve that problem? mitt romney? >> look, i think at the end of the day, chris, in this process, you're revealed to be who you are. and he's not a back slapping urban politician, you know, who can go down there and pull off the y'alls and the cheese grits. he's a serious man with a record of accomplishment. and he particularly has a record of accomplishment in making broken things work right. and i think being able to communicate that through the prism of this is how it benefits you the voter in a primary context and then ultimately in a gener...