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You craft legislation in a bipartisan manner, much of the way that barney frank did i have give him credit where credit is due in our house, we had over 100 committee hearings last year on this. breaking it down, piece by piece, bipartisan matter. may not like the final product, but we spent the time and energy to get it done as best we could in the senate. as you know, they're just pushing this thing along with some of the bad failed policies of the past. and i will agree with you there. those policies of the bush administration were bad and failed policies. and we should not perpetuate them ...

Piece, bipartisan matter. may not like the final product, but we spent the time and energy to get it done as best we could in the senate. as you know, they're just pushing this thing along with some of the bad failed policies of the past. and i will agree with you there. those policies of the bush administration were bad and failed policies. and we should not perpetuate them into the future. >> let me ask you a big question to you both. chris van holland. if you have these big companies like goldman sachs, these leviathons, like the old railroad system, they're too big it fail. can you either ...

Both. why do you think the democrats are so willing to accommodate whatever the bonks want on finray? >> i don't have a good answer to that. part of it is the political reality they're facing, that this notion that you have to compromise in order to get things done. i think this is the conundrum some democrats are ignoring. that sometimes it's better to put up a piece of legislation for a vote and have it fail, force the republicans to vote against strong reform than passing watered-down reform. i think it is the political environment in right now that it's better to get something than nothing...

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Voters don't buy that. you see from mcconnell, you see from paul ryan, the understanding that you can't simply protest -- throw up your hands and say, we let it fail, democrats screwed everything up. neil gorsuch, that will help with conservative base and these midterm elections appear to be base driven. >> i talk to these panels all the time. they see all the executive actions he's signed, rolling back of regulations. they like he got out of paris. they like he's where he is in terms of climate control and not hurting businesses. >> that's the argument for the president's re-election in 2020....