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Accountable and they're going to do their job and go forward with this inquiry and return those articles of impeachment if in fact they think they're there. at that point they've met their responsibilities under the constitution and good for them. >> thank you very much for giving us clarity in this process. >> sure. glad to be here. >> for the rest of us, impeachment might wind up helping the president. why? because this is about politics and the perception is often the realities, is it fair, is it not, is it not. angus king is wrestling with exactly this. he would be a juror in any trial in ...

Michael horowitz, waiting for all of his reports to come out and yet nobody covers horowitz when he's actually testifying in front of oversight subcommittee, will they'll be accountability is what the viewers want to know? >> if you're looking for the american media to call it fair, you're looking in the wrong place, mccabe is one of the architects, he's in cnn, he was one of the guys that was architect of counterintelligence investigation and the fisa warrant application and he's on tv supposedly being a fair neutral observer about the department of justice. when it comes to trump, everything...

Michael horowitz, waiting for all of his reports to come out and yet nobody covers horowitz when he's actually testifying in front of oversight subcommittee, will they'll be accountability is what the viewers want to know? >> if you're looking for the american media to call it fair, you're looking in the wrong place, mccabe is one of the architects, he's in cnn, he was one of the guys that was architect of counterintelligence investigation and the fisa warrant application and he's on tv supposedly being a fair neutral observer about the department of justice. when it comes to trump, everything...

Away corruption within their energy companies and their clois ties to the government -- their close ties to the government. it was convenient at the time when the guy we were fingering to leave did because among his other duties was that relationship with the companies one of which had joe biden's son on its board. isn't it fair to get the light out on both? >> you are absolutely right that congress was conditioning some of the aid to ukraine based upon progress being made fighting corruption. corruption's been a serious problem within ukraine and has very little to do with the russian interfe...

Why would it matter whose turf it was on. why couldn't you go to his office you were his friend. >> i suppose i could have, but i wanted to have a discussion with jeff as we have had so many occasions before that. >> exactly i meanmean, i -- >> never inside the department of justice >> i believe sessions knew that it was one and that sessions canceled his meeting with you if you guys were good friends, why would he have bothered to cancel it did he call you up to reschedule it >> that would be a question for jeff sessions. >> after you testified -- and you testified earlier that after the inau...