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Away corruption within their energy companies and their clois ties to the government -- their close ties to the government. it was convenient at the time when the guy we were fingering to leave did because among his other duties was that relationship with the companies one of which had joe biden's son on its board. isn't it fair to get the light out on both? >> you are absolutely right that congress was conditioning some of the aid to ukraine based upon progress being made fighting corruption. corruption's been a serious problem within ukraine and has very little to do with the russian interfe...

Along came the election with this guy, who is now running ukraine, the same guy this president called to argue for this. >> i'm saying there might be a perfectly good reason for investigating corruption. neil: if he made the call, would that bother you? i mean that call -- >> no, if the motive was to find out why joe biden in his own words was using taxpayer dollars to leverage a prosecutor's firing in ukraine, i think that is a valid claim to ask the new president of ukraine who vowed to eliminate this type of corruption. >> there are a couple of issues that are important here. there are hund...

Giuliani to be trashed and by quoting biden's own words. neil: he said it was perfectly fine for the president to do this and he didn't believe the president did it, i don't know the law part of it but the smell test -- >> we often have to translate some of the president's tweets. neil: i was having trouble enough translating giuliani on this. >> he said that the government should investigate corruption of joe biden's son. this does involve the high level -- the highest really the vice president level of u.s. government involvement with ukraine, a quid pro quo, and if you take just that on its...

Credibility of these allegations, and certainly we would love to hear from the president. giuliani sort of underscores this by saying it is true. so we have information here that needs to be followed. i was listening to your debate in regards to the issues going back to 2015. ukraine at that time had serious corruption problems. there's no question about that. the prosecutor had serious corruption problems. so the credibility at that time is very much in question. but i agree, transparency is important. neil: do you worry, though, that we we are not getting that side? you're right there might ...