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Isn't it fair to say that at least indirectly he was party to what was happening? >> it is fair and of course the telling thing about that statement that it wasn't the trump campaign or trump organization, michael cohen never said it wasn't donald trump who reimbursed him for the payment. look, when rudy went on television last night, he violated the first rule of lawyering. first, do no harm. he did harm to his client and he dug the grave deeper this morning when he said what we all know, that of corse this payment was made to help the campaign. that's the legal test for campaign finance viol...

Jcpoa, the iran deal. isn't it fair to say that if what you're trying to get north korea to sign is something not even -- probably not even close to the iran deal, because the iran deal doesn't allow iran to have any nuclear energy program that could lead to a nuclear weapons program, and north korea by contrast has the fourth largest nuclear arsenal in the world or fifth largest nuclear arsenal. it would seem bizarre at a time you're trying to get north korea to do some watered-down version of the iran deal to tear up the iran deal. >> i don't think so. i think that if trump stays in the iran...

The people, we the people have sent to washington for this purpose. the president and, frankly, we all should be right to question this. every time we peel back a layer of the onion that is the fbi and doj, we seem to uncover more bias whether it's the strock e-mails, the new loretta lynch documents, comey perjuring himself, it's a marching band of red mags at this -- red flags at this point. jillian: and, wendy, if something seems to be taking a long time, isn't it fair to be getting something done about it? >> it is fair and, again, that's why i think it's really important that the departmen...

On board all with limited results. getting tough on china was a case where trump's conventional methods are tried. nothing else has really worked. for more go to my column in cnn.c cnn.com/fareed this week. now let's get started. you heard from china who plays a central role in the trade system. he headed the national economic council for president obama. he has also been president of harvard university. welcome back. >> good to be with you, fareed. >> isn't it fair to say that china has been taking advantage of the world trading system, favored its own companies?

Getting tough on china is where i'm willing to give trump's unconventional methods a try. nothing else has really worked. for more go to cnn.com/fareed and read my "washington post" column this week. and let's get started. you heard what i had to say now let's hear from someone who played a central role in china's entry into the world trade -- he's also been president of harvard university. so isn't it fair to say that china has been taking advantage of the world trading system, been protectionist, favored it's own companies, is that basic