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indeed. quickly to you, jim tillman, as a former pilot. accident is a cogent explanation. the flight pattern, the size of this kind of aircraft is readily apparent from the ground or is there something about the altitude that a plane like this would fly that would be in any way similar to a it intoer jet or a military aircraft? no, not at all. the fact that you have avionics on the 777 to let the ground know who they are, where they are going, their speed and direction, all of that information is available real-time to the transponder. i agree it could be an accident, maybe someone with a nervous trigger. we re going to have continuing coverage of the downed mh-17. justin green still with me, jack ....