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This one. >> s.e., this was a movie starring -- [ laughter ] what are you looking for on the stage? is it the cruz-trump showdown or is there another contender you're looking at? >> i'm actually going to be looking at the way marco rubio deals with ted cruz. i think tomorrow night is incredibly important for marco rubio because it's a foreign policy debate. and he and cruz are having this very interesting argument about foreign policy right now. if marco rubio can't define ted cruz's foreign policy as weak and inconsistent -- >> i think he called it isolationist. >> yes, well yeah, and he's go...

Does call it isolationist. he calls it nuance. he said it's clearly not worked for this country. and i think he thinks he's tapping into a sentiment that people don't want this in life anymore. >> with gene and john heilemann, towards foreign policy, he thinks he's on to something, he might be on to something with a group of libertarians inside the republican party. when you think about how he talks about drones. when he talks about government sur raveil surveillance. there's certainly a big part of the republican party that recoils that the. he might be wrong, and a lot of folks think he prob...

Critiques of the overreach of the surveillance state. well, here's an opportunity to support the peaceful diplomatic resolution of a standoff with an adversary. what do we hear from them? >> right. i don't know that i've heard anything from them immediately, you know, just recently, but i think rand paul in past speeches, he made a big foreign policy speech a few months ago at the heritage foundation that was very much distancing himself from neo conservatives, neo conservatism and speaking in a much more sort of less interventionist, i wouldn't call it isolationist. i think that term's thrown...

Thinking. the big question for me is this strikes me as a huge test case. what does rand paul say about this? what do senators ted cruz and mike lee say about this? these are guys that were skeptic capital of drones during rand paul's drone filibuster. they've been much more open to critiques of the overreach of the surveillance state. well, here's an opportunity to support the peaceful diplomatic resolution of a standoff with an adversary. what do we hear from them? >> right. i don't know that i've heard anything from them immediately, you know, just recently, but i think rand paul in past sp...