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The largest sense possible, on our side. >> david, your thoughts? >> graham's right. but in some ways, tucker carlson, they are the lightest voices in the room, even if it's only 10% of the voices, it's the loudest. so we have to guess madison and others, other statements rooted in pure ignorance, which there is a large swath of ingredients within today's gop. is it malice? or is it values apathetic to the west? i think that that bucket is the most dangerous one, because those voices are heard and amplified among large constituency of the country. instagram's right. but that doesn't mean that ...

Obama. >> it put fire in the belly of the folks you saw. they were angry, they subdued it, they are both happy to be there. they wanted to make those statements. they have been champing to do that. just additional thought. we've got fire in our belly after yesterday. so i'm back getting a government paycheck, i'm telling everybody to calm down now, let the facts take you where they will. >> absolutely right. >> landed in bulgaria to be at shea -- attache. never attribute to malice that which can equally be explained by incompetence. so when they are peeling this back, there are an awful lot of...

Analyst of this whole thing. i guess it did surprise me. i keep going back to the question of where did it come from? al gore in the campaign against dukakis. what does it mean? >> it means it actually doesn't matter where it starts. it starts with somebody who doesn't like whoever the target is of the smear. but the question is where does it go from there and how does it develop, who elaborates it and who believes in it who exploits it. >> you won a pulitzer prize for writing about the '08 campaign. did you get stuff over the transom like this from people that were pro-hillary? did you ever -...

Analyst of this whole thing. i guess it did surprise me. i keep going back to the question of where did it come from? al gore in the campaign against dukakis. what does it mean? it means it actually doesn't matter where it starts. it starts with somebody who doesn't like whoever the target is of the smear. but the question is where does it go from there and how does it develop, who elaborates it and who believes it and who exploits it. >> you won a pulitzer prize for writing about the '08 campaign. did you ever -- do you remember this -- >> no, no. look. whenever reverend wright, during the re...

>> ben, was it malice or looniness? tell us if you can. you've done the only work on this. i used to think -- we all grew up thinking the great jokes we heard in our life came from prison because people have hours to cook up the jokes we love in life. do these conspiracy theories come from malice? does somebody sit down and say, this will rock his boat, this will blow him out of the water, or is there some looney person that is really paranoid and believes this stuff? where does it come from? trutherism, birtherism. i read in your piece today that this one guy -- phil berg, is it? believed in ...