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What it is that steve bannon hopes to get out of this whole experience. i think the pressure it puts on people like meadows is it forces him to decide are -- you know, is mark meadows going to be a true blue -- or i guess a true red maga loyalist or is he going to try to keep one foot in the respectable corporate republican establishment world? and what bannon is doing is forcing the issue in a way you really can't do both. you can't straddle and now trump has taken notice of this and is furious at mark meadows. mark meadows is going to have to decide, at least in short term, it looks like he ...

Past -- didn't want to be held in contempt of congress. steve bannon seems to want nothing else. it helps him for all the reasons andrew said. i mean, is this battle with the justice department -- i guess, financially, i guess he has a lot of money and -- and it's good for his reputation in the world that he exists in? >> well, yeah. i mean, i think for bannon, you don't have to look any further than the fact that he brought a camera crew to his arraignment and stopped in mid-perp walk to do a live interview to show you what it is that steve bannon hopes to get out of this whole experience. i ...