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Other than trade deals as the governor of south carolina. so they are going more untraditional. they've talked about this idea of draining the swamp, bringing new faces and putting new people in charge of things. nikki haley, though, was a governor and she's somebody who has experience leaving and dealing with at least on some level with foreign governments. ben carson not so much. and just to give you a little more background, it was established by lyndon johnson in '65. it employees 8,000 people. it's a big agency. big deal. ben carson said he would only take a position if donald trump told ...

Upset about that and feel they need to set a marker and unlike a country like mexico which has to take it because they have nowhere else to go and u.s. corporations are caught in the middle. it's harder to lobby for trump because trump doesn't owe the republicans anything, didn't get the chamber of commerce to endorse him. the potential that u.s. and china, which is the biggest antagonist of the united states, it's not small and let's also keep in mind, trump is not someone who is going to go to china and do a good job of showing face. he's for the good with other cultures. he wants to only ea...

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>> let's talk about betsy devos, his education secretary. the fact that she's a supporter of common core, that's going to be a problem with donald trump's base. >> it's split the republican party for a long time. as to whether or not it ought to be mandatory and how you unwind it or not, it's truly voluntary. she is a huge proponent of choice and i think that what would combine the appointment of dr. carson to h.u.d. and betsy devos to the education department would depend on adding to the choice of their customers, choice in school, choice in section 8 housing. choice drives a lot of reform a...

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