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Leader and tried to get him to buy into a debt ceiling deal. mccarthy informed mitch mcconnell the proposal wouldn't fly in the house and republicans would bail on the defense legislation according to a gop lawmaker who later heard about this conversation. our chief congressional correspondent manu raju joins us now. this is your reporting. it's an interesting relationship to borrow a phrase from a previous dynamic, who knew, it's complicated. >> reporter: it's playing out on the senate floor, the senate is going to vote on a fast track process to allow the debt ceiling to be increased on a si...

And the way they depend on putin is for the billions of dollars that putin sends their way. if the u.s. disconnects them from the financial system, they're going to be hurt and putin's power will be shaken. that's most leverage we have. we don't have any military levage at all. when you look at sanctions policy and politics, they only work if the global community sanctions russia, right? if they can go and replace our business with iranian business deals, they're toothless. do we have the whole world sort of community standing with us or can russia address any damage we do through economic san...

How can i reconcile them? you can't. life is complicated. if we can all make simple solutions for all of life's complications, then what life really be worth living? i mean, it is messy. it's complicated. you are taking into and thoughts and philosophy here with life and its worth and i want to end with you on a personal thought. he talks about entering the winter of your own life. i mean, chronologically. i know you did, i know you did, but i'm extrapolating from that, because there are writers — i'm thinking of martin amis, for example, who said frankly, any writer who breaks their best wo...

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How shall i put it? if it is in the work, then there is a discussion to be had. if it is not in the work — i mean, we listen to the music of the mediaeval composer who murdered his wife but he is truly the best mediaeval composer. it's undeniable that his music is beautiful. well, and he murdered his wife. i mean, so, the fact that he did that means we can't listen to the music? i — it's a murky subject. it is! i don't have a final answerfor you on this, i'm just saying that for me, it's complicated, because i have to be able to say that the artist did a beautiful work and i have to also s...