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>> why not? >> messing around in fairfax county, no telling what the [ bleep ] they would do. probably bring some [ bleep ] up, probably find way to get me in some extra [ bleep ]. i would rather not admit guilt to anything in fairfax county. >> bumgarner can still press criminal charges against bell, but says he probably won't. >> i'm not here in this jail to press charges on somebody and then the [ bleep ] just happens all over again a bunch more times. that's just how it is. >> coming up -- >> it sucks not having a selection and variety of clothes in front of you every day. and to wake up t...

To do the job the way the president wants him to. >> michael cohen, you know him. he is taking the fifth in the stormy daniels case. i spoke with jay goldberg who represented trump in his divorce cases. and he says he thinks cohen will lie to tell prosecutors what they want to hear, to get himself out of trouble. and he says cohen will do it because he has a weak character. >> he is of a type that i recognize in the past as one not suited to stand up to the rigors of jail life. >> you think he is of weak character? >> i do think so. >> and i think that is unfair. and to characterize what i did...

>> well, he's of a type that i've recognized in the past as one not suited to stand up to the rigors of jail life. >> so you think he's of weak character basically? >> i do think so. >> do you agree with that assessment, or do you think the president's right to have that fear? >> i have no idea. i don't know michael cohen. but let me just tell you how unbalanced the criminal justice system. the feds can put the pressure on anybody and say, if you do such and such, we'll let you go. it happened to scooter libby, my client, where he was told, his lawyers were told, that if he just gave criminal ...

Recommend that he be shown leniency. that doesn't necessarily mean that he tells the truth. flipping is an expression that we use when a witness is of a mind to tell the truth. but history has shown that people under the threat of heavy litigation glean what the prosecutor is interested in hearing, and they can form their conduct so that they can get what's known as the 5k-1 letter. >> so you're saying he will turn on the president. basically, he will indict the president, but it wouldn't necessarily be by telling the truth. >> that's right. >> do you know michael cohen? >> i do. >> why do you...

>> messing around in fairfax county, no telling what the [ bleep ] they would do. probably bring some [ bleep ] up, probably find way to get me in some extra [ bleep ]. i would rather not admit guilt to anything in fairfax county. >> bumgarner can still press criminal charges against bell, but says he probably won't. >> i'm not here in this jail to press charges on somebody and then the [ bleep ] just happens all over again a bunch more times. that's just how it is. >> coming up -- >> it sucks not having a selection and variety of clothes in front of you every day. and to wake up to the same j...