>> well, this was the second accuser slash victim we've heard from and i'll tell you, you've known me for a long time, chris. i'm pretty hardened when it comes to covering trial stuff, but you know what, i have never seen testimony like this. i'm a mother. i know you're a father. this kid was, is 18 years old. he was 11 when he first met san -- sandusky and the abuse began when he was about 12. alleged abuse, let's say. i got teary, i have to tell you. i got very teary hearing this boy. i call him a boy because he's so small. he's so frail. he walked in with stooped shoulders and his chin down...