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that. thank you, my friend. today has been a lesson how every accusation from the republican party these days is really actually a confession. >> are you weaponizing the house the same way you say the democrats were weaponizing the doj to get what they wanted? are you just doing it on a bigger platform from the entire house of representatives? >> no, there's a very clear distinction in what we're doing and what they are doing. what we're doing, neil, is the opposite. we're trying to adhere to the rule of law. >> that was republican speaker of the house mike johnson this afternoon s...

Obstacle to his efforts to win a second term. >> right? it says something about maybe getting convicted on 34 felony counts is not a boon. but one of the tightest senate races in the country, tim shihi is trying to run on trump's conviction to win a senate race that could decide the control of the upper chamber so everybody is looking at this differently. jamelle with the new york times. thank you very much for being here. >> thank you. >> we have a lot this evening including revelations about a secret plan to influence democratic lawmakers like house democratic leader hakeem jeffries. we will...

States. everywhere. it is an extremist agenda and america should be alarmed. >> senator elizabeth warren, thank you for joining me this evening and offering your wisdom and perspective on all of this. really appreciate your time. >> you bet. i want to turn now to jamelle. we were just talking with senator warren about the revenge fantasies and i think part of the reason we have seen such a shocking response is because they are legitimately shaken by the 34 felony counts. what do you interpret, an unprecedented spoken out loud plot to break the law in a partisan agenda? >> roar, this furious ...

Have done what he's charged with. and that to me is a clear sign republicans know this is not an ideal situation. >> you have an opinion piece about the myth of trump. the myth of donald trump is he's immune to scandal, that there's nothing he could say or do to undermine his political prospects. yes, he's shameless. yes, he's surrounded by a cultive personality, but neither has made him invulnerable to the blows of political combat. and then that polling you were talking about jamelle, before the verdict this is the new york times siena college polling. before the verdict he was up by 3 point...

Their own voters. >> that's the key. they're scared of them and don't understand them. it's an important dynamic taking shape in this primary. and you know jamelle, i was taking a look at this, i've covered more closely in some ways, the democrats are very heterogeneous coalition. we've got old white politicians who go to barbecues in black neighborhoods in urban environments and black churches when they have to do code switching. that's when it gets cringey. you get the senate candidate who shows up at four latinos. that's part of politics, doing that stuff. but there is at least an authentic...